We didn't lose the war. The day that games are released on the EGS as permanent exclusives with no end date is the day we lose. But I"m unsure if any developer is willing to take that risk. And even if that were to happen, there are hundreds of games releasing every month elsewhere. I'll just play something else instead.
I mean it still depends if people buy the games on the EGS or not and apart from two success stories (Satisfactory and WWZ) we still don't know really how well games do on the store. At the end of day ol Tims warchest won't be filled forever to fund these deals and if folks don't flock to buy games from there in the future it doesn't make any difference what folks say, be it from the folks attacking the devs in their discord, to the gaming press, to ol Tim himself.
I don't buy any games from EGS, ever, not on steam even after the 12 months, I would only reconsider this stance if the game is phenomenal and exactly to my niche taste. A game that I could waste hundreds of hours in.
Oh, then I retract my statement, but he's still a douche and his entire PR department has to be beating their heads against the wall. I highly doubt this is the first dev it has happened to, it's just the first one that has publicly antagonized their audience(?) enough to say really stupid shit openly.
I don't think so. Tim's tweet was probably written by Epic's PR department, since it resulted in the Ooblets devs and Epic being the victims for the media and many people. And many of them will support Ooblets (and Epic) because of this.
eh, i really don't think so .... let's not get into conspiracy theory territory here
Nah, Im very sure it was just Tim. He liked to nag people on Twitter.
It does seem like everyone who was once critical of the EGS is now required to prostrate themselves in that thread to prove they weren't the ones sending death threats.
might not be a bad idea tbhThis EGS thing is making me uncomfortable, maybe it´s time to actually play games and forget about the internet
Whenever your frequenting someplace that makes your day worse, its time to step back and if possible reassess if you need to be a part certain places. There is no shame in leaving for greener pastures.
No, they're banning people who are essentially saying that the Ooblets developers were "asking for it".
While they certainly didn't ask for what we are witnessing now, I wonder, what exactly did they expect after going into bear's lair in the winter?
Nothing. Nothing that can happen will ever make someone in the gaming press reflect (and possibly change) on his stance.
I'm disliking the EGS, a lot. I started boycotting them because I don't want third party exclusivity, but after all the acquisitions, name calling, provokations and general toxicity from Tim and his bribed dev echo chamber I'm done with Epic and everybody involved entirely.
Yes of course. Epic buying exclusives is one thing. But people sending death threads to the devs involved is another level of BS. This is unacceptable and these people should be dealt with.
I'm trying to do so as well. But it's damn sad that I can't read about my favorite hobby/passion anymore without getting disappointed or pissed off.This EGS thing is making me uncomfortable, maybe it´s time to actually play games and forget about the internet
We all like more options. Sadly, Epic only seems interested in taking options away.
Wise words. Ignore unrelated topics and personal attacks, focus on the arguments of what is wrong with EGS.
As soon as they accepted the EGS deal they were at-risk of being targeted, they tried to pre-empt things with their statement, but obviously they were woefully unprepared for the response. However, I don't understand which "false narrative" you're talking about, as soon as you bring up the "devs' own shortcomings" it comes across as trying to justify what has happened to them. I'm sure they're already well-aware of what they could have done differently by now.
I think the following statements are true simultaneously:
I object to that because I believe that removing ourselves from that discussion will leave the field wide open for trolls and biased posters to completely take over the narrative on EGS. For example, removing the anti-EGS side from a discussion on a developer's EGS exclusivity will be comprised exclusively by people congratulating the developers on 'getting that dollar', or whatever the kids say these days.
They aren't the first ones to take the Epic deal and sadly they won't be the last but this is the game that's causing the biggest uproar from the community. Why exactly is this happening? What's the difference? Does the collective audience care more about this game than Shenmue or Mechwarrior or Metro? Of course not. It's how things were handled preemptively and post announcement that made this tiny droplet in the ocean have such a huge ripple effect.
Well, that's what I've been doing pretty much since the start.This EGS thing is making me uncomfortable, maybe it´s time to actually play games and forget about the internet
And exactly that makes me think.
No I'm not trying to justify what happened to them, not only because it's a shitty thing to do, but also because thanks to all these idiots Epic now has an ammunition to effectively shut down any legitimate criticism of their store and practices.
The absolute majority of journalists have been drinking Epic's kool-aid from the very beginning, both in their articles and on their personal Twitter accounts. I can't explain this either.
Not only that, but it also needs ways for people to spread word of mouth. I lost count of the games I put on my wishlist, or even bought right away, after seeing a screenshot uploaded by a friend on my Steam activity feed, or thanks to the "Your friend X purchased/wishlisted this game" messages. They may be small things, but every little thing helps. By design, EGS won't have any of that, which means there's one less avenue of discovery for both new and old games. That, coupled with the deliberate lack of curation tools, shows me that Epic isn't interested at all in the health of the platform or devs, however much crap Tweeney may spew on Twitter.
I can think of a pretty big distinction. Look at who's developing Ooblets: Rebecca Cordingley is one of the developers. You know who gets targeted much more in situations like these? Women. GamerGate, for example, started as a harassment campaign against a woman.
That's what you're getting out of this? Your main point of concern is that this harassment means you will be under more scrutiny for going against EGS? If it didn't affect that, would this situation have mattered to you?
I don't think this is true. The outrage was caused by the developers blog, and got worse after their toxic reactions on Discord/Twitter en Sweeneys "awesome" tweet. Not because one of the devs is female.
If it's directed at me, I was pretty clear that "it was like they were asking for trouble", as in riling up people, making snarky comments, downplaying everything, alienating a big section of their audience, or even the ones who supported them on Patreon (basically we don't need you or your opinion anymore), with that horrible "reeeee" tweet, or calling everyone not agreeing with them "toxic/manbaby/kids/..." posts like this “honestly the biggest reason we didn’t do a kickstarter is we didn’t want to deal with entitled baby gamers holding even more power over us.” or several other ones. They weren't asking for "harassment", no sane person would, but they were definitely looking for "trouble", where it'd have lead to a PR disaster at best, but it got worse, as I said in my post they didn't deserve it, no one deserves this, it's pretty shitty, but they didn't help the situation, they added more fuel for those pathetic people out there that live for such situations.
