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[Transdude1996]

I'm at the point where I believe people have no idea what left and right mean

It's a flawed concept when taken out of the original context (And still flawed even in the correct context). All the concept "Left" and "Right" wing really was is just leftover propaganda that, somehow, survived the French Revolution. And, what it meant back then is that those that stood on the right of the French king supported him, and those that stood on the Left of the French king supported the people. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, it's very well know how that all ended:

Spoiler

 

[fsdood]

I'm at the point where I believe people have no idea what left and right mean, or they simply don't care. They'll just say stuff that sounds nice one day, and support practices that aren't the next day. Not necessarily out of malice, but from ignorance or disinterest.

Most of these people are liberals who only care about social issues and nothing else. So many of them still defend corporations. At most, they'll call for regulated capitalism but it'll never be socialist at the end of the day.

 

[NarohDethan]

Most of these people are liberals who only care about social issues and nothing else. So many of them still defend corporations. At most, they'll call for regulated capitalism but it'll never be socialist at the end of the day.

 

[Swenhir]

I like Mike Bithell, he has done really kind and good things for the game development community but this is just bullshit.

 

[gabbo]

I like Mike Bithell, he has done really kind and good things for the game development community but this is just bullshit.

Ad this point, it's really just madlibs, where you need a well known indie dev, something they're known for, and a synonym for terrible/shit and you can describe most of the EGS deals....

..Well, except Randy Pitchford who's a shitheel through and through regardless of what the rest of Gearbox does.

 

[Swenhir]

Ad this point, it's really just madlibs, where you need a well known indie dev, something they're known for, and a synonym for terrible/shit and you can describe most of the EGS deals....

..Well, except Randy Pitchford who's a shitheel through and through regardless of what the rest of Gearbox does.

I feel the same way, I wish Gearbox wasn't stuck with this idiot.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

Gearbox is the game developer whose staff I have personally known the most members of, and while I’ll try not to play too much inside baseball here (they’re not allowed to talk about much even to me anyways,) I will say it’s a developer full of kind and talented people who have some great output that the medium needs.

But this shit with Randy has gotten out of control, to the point where I won’t be supporting Borderlands 3 even when it hits Steam. It feels bad to turn down something my own friends worked on, but this revelation of Pitchford being physically abusive wasn’t just the straw that broken the camel’s back, it was more like setting an anvil on top. I will instead be focusing my efforts on looking into any way I can encourage a labor union at the developer. Maybe then they won’t have their royalties embezzled.

And yes, by far the most bizarre faction in this whole EGS argument has been the leftists who have convinced themselves that supporting EGS is somehow anti-capitalist. I agree Valve’s libertarian bullshit has gone too far with stuff like that rape game and Luftwaffen still having a Steam group, but the answer is not to let a man worth $7.1 billion take over the platform just because he says he owns it now. (As if he won’t do the same thing on the same timeline.)

 

[Hektor]

And, it's very well know how that all ended:

Spoiler

Iconic in all the right ways.

 

[Transdude1996]

I wish Gearbox wasn't stuck with this idiot.

The employees could always leave if it is really that terrible of a company. Programming, graphic design, and audio production are not fields of work which are exclusive to the game industry. Also, the employees could start up their own company.

Although, I have to wonder if all the problems with Gearbox are exclusively Randall's fault. Yeah, he's entirely responsible for embezzling money to make the Borderlands 2 DLC and fund his wife's peacock parties, his infamous harassment towards his employees and the public, somehow forgetting about a USB filled with barely legal "magic tricks", the peacock parties with minors. shilling Battleborn porn in an attempt to make the game relevant...what was I getting at? Oh, right! However, I don't see how he's the reason for the plagiarism of the Borderlands series , Aliens:CM being unplayable due to a single typo, and Duke Nukem Forever's extremely fragmented development. But, that doesn't mean he can pass the buck long because he is responsible for what happens at the company, and all his actions have shown that he refuses to take any responsibility.

Gearbox is the game developer whose staff I have personally known the most members of, and while I’ll try not to play too much inside baseball here (they’re not allowed to talk about much even to me anyways,) I will say it’s a developer full of kind and talented people who have some great output that the medium needs.

Then why don't they leave?

 

[Arsene]

Then why don't they leave?

They have bills and families, or they might be the only place in town hiring for their skillset or offering the same payrate. Not everyone has the privilege to up and ditch their jobs on a whim, and they especially cant ditch and just start up their own company just like that.

 

[Swenhir]

The employees could always leave if it is really that terrible of a company. Programming, graphic design, and audio production are not fields of work which are exclusive to the game industry. Also, the employees could start up their own company.

Although, I have to wonder if all the problems with Gearbox are exclusively Randall's fault. Yeah, he's entirely responsible for embezzling money to make the Borderlands 2 DLC and fund his wife's peacock parties, his infamous harassment towards his employees and the public, somehow forgetting about a USB filled with barely legal "magic tricks", the peacock parties with minors. shilling Battleborn porn in an attempt to make the game relevant...what was I getting at? Oh, right! However, I don't see how he's the reason for the plagiarism of the Borderlands series , Aliens:CM being unplayable due to a single typo, and Duke Nukem Forever's extremely fragmented development. But, that doesn't mean he can pass the buck long because he is responsible for what happens at the company, and all his actions have shown that he refuses to take any responsibility.


Then why don't they leave?

I don't think you realize how difficult it is to start a company and how much people need stability. Many just don't want to leave a game they've been working on for half a decade or a home they have finally settled into just because their boss is an abusive bastard.

 

[Transdude1996]

they might be the only place in town hiring for their skillset

Places looking for programmers, graphic artists, and audio engineers in and around the Frisco, Texas area, and that's just on Indeed.

Not everyone has the privilege to up and ditch their jobs on a whim

They've had years to figure something out. Battleborn was 3 years ago, BL1.5 was 5, Aliens:CM was 6, BL2 was 7, DNF was 8, and the original BL was a decade ago. The people working for the company have known about it's dishonest and hostile nature for up to a decade, 3 years at minimum (And that's assuming much of this didn't start before the release of the original BL, although problems such as these don't develop overnight), not including other horror stories to previously arise like the EA spouse from 15 years ago, and they didn't think to have an alternate source of income or a fallback in case anything happened? Really?

Many just don't want to leave a game they've been working on for half a decade or a home they have finally settled into just because their boss is an abusive bastard.

I believe that's referred to as Stockholm syndrome, where, as a survival mechanic, the victim starts making excuses to cope with the situation rather than soundly judge it and/or actually do something about it.

 

[Arsene]

Places looking for programmers, graphic artists, and audio engineers in and around the Frisco, Texas area, and that's just on Indeed.

You are aware that just because you work as a programmer or audio engineer in the game industry, doesn't mean you're automatically qualified for similar positions in other fields right? ESPECIALLY programming. Even moving to a different game studio is still a hurdle to cross. People wouldn't be rallying for unionization if it was easy to drop everything and move to a new position. I wonder how many of those jobs you linked offer similar benefits and pay to Gearbox.

They've had years to figure something out. Battleborn was 3 years ago, BL1.5 was 5, Aliens:CM was 6, BL2 was 7, DNF was 8, and the original BL was a decade ago. The people working for the company have known about it's dishonest and hostile nature for up to a decade, 3 years at minimum (And that's assuming much of this didn't start before the release of the original BL, although problems such as these don't develop overnight), not including other horror stories to previously arise like the EA spouse from 15 years ago, and they didn't think to have an alternate source of income or a fallback in case anything happened? Really?

See Telltale, The studio was in dire straits for years and everyone knew it, They were thrown out on their asses out of nowhere and a ton of them didnt have a fallback regardless. It doesn't matter if they had years to "figure something out" when they're too busy trying to keep the job they already have so they can stay alive.

 

[Swenhir]

Places looking for programmers, graphic artists, and audio engineers in and around the Frisco, Texas area, and that's just on Indeed.


They've had years to figure something out. Battleborn was 3 years ago, BL1.5 was 5, Aliens:CM was 6, BL2 was 7, DNF was 8, and the original BL was a decade ago. The people working for the company have known about it's dishonest and hostile nature for up to a decade, 3 years at minimum (And that's assuming much of this didn't start before the release of the original BL, although problems such as these don't develop overnight), not including other horror stories to previously arise like the EA spouse from 15 years ago, and they didn't think to have an alternate source of income or a fallback in case anything happened? Really?


I believe that's referred to as Stockholm syndrome, where, as a survival mechanic, the victim starts making excuses to cope with the situation rather than soundly judge it and/or actually do something about it.

I think you are judging people's choices without a clear understanding of their situation and the difficulty of the choices you are telling them to make. That's too harsh and lacking in empathy for my taste.

Also, that's not what Stockholm Syndrome is. Stockholm Syndrome describes the bonding and teaming up of the victim with its abusers in order to survive due to psychological duress. This is quite unlike what's happening with Gearbox where I think they know exactly what is up with Pitchford.

 

[Rosenkrantz]

I'm not surprised by people who describe themselves as leftists to support the EGS. The simple truth is, everyone loves money, and if there's a chance to make a little bit of cash most will gladly forget about their principles or spin it in a way that will make it look like a noble cause. "I did it to fight the tyranny" will always sound better than "I did it to become rich".

I'm out of the loop, is Randy beat someone?

 

[LEANIJA]

I'm out of the loop, is Randy beat someone?

 

[Transdude1996]

See Telltale, The studio was in dire straits for years and everyone knew it, They were thrown out on their asses out of nowhere and a ton of them didnt have a fallback regardless. It doesn't matter if they had years to "figure something out" when they're too busy trying to keep the job they already have so they can stay alive.

I think you are judging people's choices without a clear understanding of their situation and the difficulty of the choices you are telling them to make. That's too harsh and lacking in empathy for my taste.

Using that Telltale example, these people spend "every waking moment" devoted to their job, knowing it's a dead end, knowing that it could end at a moment's notice, don't do anything to prepare for when the inevitable happens, all of this is carrying on for several years, then they suddenly lose their job, and I'm suppose to feel sorry for them when they're left twisting in the wind because they didn't prepare for an outcome that anyone and everyone saw coming from a mile away?

Yeah, that doesn't sound very empathetic. But, empathy has never helped anyone. Empathy doesn't pay the bills. Empathy doesn't put gas in the car. Empathy doesn't put food on the table. Money does. So, are these people going to just sit around and wait for empathy to help them along, or are they going to go find a way to bring in money so they don't have to suffer like this in the future? And, to those wanting to go take part in a union, do you really want to rely on and continue to rely on a company that treats everyone like dirt (On top of constantly having to fight for better treatment), or find a way to get out of that situation altogether so that you can control your own life?

 

[Arsene]

Using that Telltale example, these people spend "every waking moment" devoted to their job, knowing it's a dead end, knowing that it could end at a moment's notice, don't do anything to prepare for when the inevitable happens, all of this is carrying on for several years, then they suddenly lose their job, and I'm suppose to feel sorry for them when they're left twisting in the wind because they didn't prepare for an outcome that anyone and everyone saw coming from a mile away?

Yeah, that doesn't sound very empathetic. But, empathy has never helped anyone. Empathy doesn't pay the bills. Empathy doesn't put gas in the car. Empathy doesn't put food on the table. Money does. So, are these people going to just sit around and wait for empathy to help them along, or are they going to go find a way to bring in money so they don't have to suffer like this in the future? And, to those wanting to go take part in a union, do you really want to rely on and continue to rely on a company that treats everyone like dirt (On top of constantly having to fight for better treatment), or find a way to get out of that situation altogether so that you can control your own life?

Empathy got them new jobs. Also are you seriously trying to spin that Unionizaiton would be a bad thing? Really?

 

[Transdude1996]

are you seriously trying to spin that Unionizaiton would be a bad thing?

Forcing employees join or never work in that field ever again, people in charge of it making a profit while the members starve "for the cause", pushes for the retainment of employees that are the source of workplace troubles...yes, unions cause nothing but problems. No one is going to watch you back, except you.

 

[Arsene]

Forcing employees join or never work in that field ever again, people in charge of it making a profit while the members starve "for the cause", pushes for the retainment of employees that are the source of workplace troubles...yes, unions cause nothing but problems. No one is going to watch you back, except you.

Every union is different and they're only as good as the sum of their parts. You might be forced into a union if you want to work in a specific industry, but in others unionization is optional (voice acting). Unions are responsible for things like weekends, sick leave/holiday pay, child labor laws, legal right to strike, unfair termination laws and more. Saying unions cause nothing but problems is a blatant lie.

The telltale situation wouldn't have happened if they were unionized. They still would have been laid off sure, but they wouldn't have been thrown out with no severance. Game developers are being screwed over by their studios and the only real option they have if they want to change these things is to unionize.

 

[RionaaM]

Forcing employees join or never work in that field ever again, people in charge of it making a profit while the members starve "for the cause", pushes for the retainment of employees that are the source of workplace troubles...yes, unions cause nothing but problems. No one is going to watch you back, except you.

This is how some unions work here in Argentina, and yes, many of them suck and are nothing but trouble to anyone but their leaders. That doesn't mean it has to be like this, and the fear of things going wrong doesn't make it not worth trying. Especially in the US, where workers have literally zero rights and protections (from what I've read, many don't even have a contract), so if a company wants to screw them it legally can do it.

 

[lashman]

I will instead be focusing my efforts on looking into any way I can encourage a labor union at the developer. Maybe then they won’t have their royalties embezzled.

please do that ... it needs to happen ... and soon!

And yes, by far the most bizarre faction in this whole EGS argument has been the leftists who have convinced themselves that supporting EGS is somehow anti-capitalist. I agree Valve’s libertarian bullshit has gone too far with stuff like that rape game and Luftwaffen still having a Steam group, but the answer is not to let a man worth $7.1 billion take over the platform just because he says he owns it now. (As if he won’t do the same thing on the same timeline.)

yeah, it's so bizarre ... i constantly see people saying stuff like "it's good that egs is around ... steam REALLY needs a competition" ... but apparently in their eyes - steam needs competition SO DESPERATELY that it doesn't matter how badly that "competition" is fucking over almost everyone involved (including devs - in the long run)

I'm not surprised by people who describe themselves as leftists to support the EGS. The simple truth is, everyone loves money, and if there's a chance to make a little bit of cash most will gladly forget about their principles or spin it in a way that will make it look like a noble cause. "I did it to fight the tyranny" will always sound better than "I did it to become rich".

yeah ... you can absolutely see that in the argumentation some of the devs are giving .... trying to convince everyone it's actually good for them, the players ... somehow

 

[Ge0force]

According to this website, Epic is trying to get Microsofts games on EGS (including MCC), and even trying to buy exclusivity for Sea of Thieves, Ori 2 and the new Gears of War. While this article is probably click-bait based on rumors, no doubt Epic is trying.

 

[Ascheroth]

According to this website, Epic is trying to get Microsofts games on EGS (including MCC), and even trying to buy exclusivity for Sea of Thieves, Ori 2 and the new Gears of War. While this article is probably click-bait based on rumors, no doubt Epic is trying.

Eh, I wouldn't give some random person spouting click-bait rumors the attention, that's just what they want.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

I would never give oneangrygamer a click.

 

[Rosenkrantz]

Is there any Gaben vs Sweeney memes out there? If not, I have an idea, Gaben as Aquaman, Sweeney as Black Manta, Ubi as Black Manta's dad, pubs who signed exclusivity deals as his henchmen, and it all starts with "bring the exclusivity".

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Transdude1996 have you ever actually had a real job? As in a professional career, that requires some degree of training or skill to obtain?

Because the claims you are spouting are frankly at the level of some teenage keyboard warrior, with all the understanding of the real world that that entails.

 

[Transdude1996]

Every union is different and they're only as good as the sum of their parts.

Then why has the Argentinian said that my overall assessment is correct:

This is how some unions work here in Argentina, and yes, many of them suck and are nothing but trouble to anyone but their leaders.

You might be forced into a union if you want to work in a specific industry, but in others unionization is optional (voice acting).

Not if the SAG-AFTRA had anything to say about it. They were throwing a fit over the studios using non-union actors.

Unions are responsible for things like weekends, sick leave/holiday pay, child labor laws, legal right to strike, unfair termination laws and more.

All of which was established over 50 years? Unions haven't contributed any positive benefits after those initial years, and their drastic fall in membership reflects this.

Saying unions cause nothing but problems is a blatant lie.

Except for the fact that Union leaders, as early as 1908, have declared that their purpose is to cause disruption and chaos.

Especially in the US, where workers have literally zero rights and protections

With a statement like that, it's pretty obvious that you don't know a damn thing about my country.

(from what I've read, many don't even have a contract), so if a company wants to screw them it legally can do it.

That's referred to as an "at-will" employee, and companies still have to follow business laws if they don't want to get sued.

Transdude1996 have you ever actually had a real job? As in a professional career, that requires some degree of training or skill to obtain?
Because the claims you are spouting are frankly at the level of some teenage keyboard warrior, with all the understanding of the real world that that entails.

It's funny that you put it like that because every single professional that I have come in contact with (Which have ranged from doctors to real estate agents to job contractors) has made it extremely clear that the business world, at least the way it's taught in schools (Get a "good" education, work 40-60 hours for 40-60 years, and then retire on a third of your salary), is nothing but the biggest scam that no one wants to admit. This is also leaving out the fact that, with the economic system for every single country in the world, you are literally wasting your time and money devoting your life towards having career working under someone else. And, this is especially true in the U.S. because the entire way the tax system works is that it benefits those that own a business.

Spoiler

 

[RionaaM]

Then why has the Argentinian said that my overall assessment is correct:




Not if the SAG-AFTRA had anything to say about it. They were throwing a fit over the studios using non-union actors.


All of which was established over 50 years? Unions haven't contributed any positive benefits after those initial years, and their drastic fall in membership reflects this.


Except for the fact that Union leaders, as early as 1908, have declared that their purpose is to cause disruption and chaos.


With a statement like that, it's pretty obvious that you don't know a damn thing about my country.


That's referred to as an "at-will" employee, and companies still have to follow business laws if they don't want to get sued.


It's funny that you put it like that because every single professional that I have come in contact with (Which have ranged from doctors to real estate agents to job contractors) has made it extremely clear that the business world, at least the way it's taught in schools (Get a "good" education, work 40-60 hours for 40-60 years, and then retire on a third of your salary), is nothing but the biggest scam that no one wants to admit. This is also leaving out the fact that, with the economic system for every single country in the world, you are literally wasting your time and money devoting your life towards having career working under someone else. And, this is especially true in the U.S. because the entire way the tax system works is that it benefits those that own a business.

Spoiler

Please don't twist my words. I agreed with you about unions not being universally good, but I never said they were universally bad. Here many of them are used as a political tool, so they don't serve their purpose, but workers have many protections by law that Americans don't, so it's a different situation entirely. Lacking those protections and rights, good unions are the only thing that defend the workers' rights. Without them, companies can keep paying a pitiful salary, fire people on the spot with no cause and without severance, exploit them with unpaid (or forced) overtime, and more.

In an ideal world there would be laws preventing this mistreatement of employees, and unions wouldn't be needed. But that's not the case, and claiming that the solution to this is changing jobs (which is not feasible for everyone) puts the onus on the exploited employee. That's something I will never agree with, and honestly it's so close to victim shaming that it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

 

[Copons]

omg why all these archive links

 

[lashman]

omg why all these archive links

wish i could check any of them ... archive just blocks the entire EU from accessing their service, lol

 

[Arsene]

Not if the SAG-AFTRA had anything to say about it. They were throwing a fit over the studios using non-union actors.

So? That doesn’t invalidate my point. Tons of studios still use non-union voice actors. Unions are obviously upset about losing work to cheaper alternatives but it doesn’t mean anything. Both unioned voice actors and non union voice actors have plenty of gigs available.

All of which was established over 50 years? Unions haven't contributed any positive benefits after those initial years, and their drastic fall in membership reflects this

Yeah except in the entertainment industry alone, SAG-AFTRA went on strike for better wages in 2016 and ended with a better deal for VA’s in video games, and WGA went on strike in 2007 and got a better deal for TV/Movie writers. The WGA is even currently going against their agencies, which writers are gladly standing by.

Except for the fact that Union leaders, as early as 1908, have declared that their purpose is to cause disruption and chaos.

Unions cause disruptions against corporations to benefit their workers. Saying they cause “Nothing but problems” is still a lie because these problems lead to better conditions for workers under said unions.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

It's funny that you put it like that because every single professional that I have come in contact with (Which have ranged from doctors to real estate agents to job contractors) has made it extremely clear that the business world, at least the way it's taught in schools (Get a "good" education, work 40-60 hours for 40-60 years, and then retire on a third of your salary), is nothing but the biggest scam that no one wants to admit. This is also leaving out the fact that, with the economic system for every single country in the world, you are literally wasting your time and money devoting your life towards having career working under someone else. And, this is especially true in the U.S. because the entire way the tax system works is that it benefits those that own a business.

So that's a no then.

Free life advice mate; literally everyone has to do some shit they're not entirely happy about as part of their job.
That's why its called a job, and its why you get paid to do it.
Pick anyone you want as an example. They've all had to eat some shit as part of their career.
Every single one.

Because nobody wants to go tell their family they're getting evicted because they can't meet the rent and its all daddys fault for being a stubborn prideful asshole who just wants to live his best life instead of working for 'the man' or whatever illusions you have about how the world works.

I have zero clue what any of this has to do with the Epic Games Store.

 

[lashman]

Unions cause disruptions against corporations to benefit their workers. Saying they cause “Nothing but problems” is still a lie because these problems lead to better conditions for workers under said unions.

oh, they absolutely cause problems ... for the employers

which is a good thing, obviously

I have zero clue what any of this has to do with the Epic Games Store.

yeah ... we might be veering off-topic just a tiiiiiiiiny little bit

 

[Transdude1996]

Here many of them are used as a political tool, so they don't serve their purpose, but workers have many protections by law that Americans don't, so it's a different situation entirely. Lacking those protections and rights, good unions are the only thing that defend the workers' rights.

If I'm understanding this correctly, you support unions because, while they do not have the best interests of their members in mind in regards to any of their decision, they're the only group that claims to fight for "workers rights". I can see that. That's how ever single union in history was designed and first gained power. And, then they lost it when the government of companies actually did something.

But that's not the case, and claiming that the solution to this is changing jobs (which is not feasible for everyone) puts the onus on the exploited employee.

How is it infeasible that, while you're working one job as a way to make an income, you're looking for another that has better conditions? Or, finding ways to use that money so that you aren't working for the rest of your life? Or or, find a way to get out of that failing Socialist state and move to someplace else?

SAG-AFTRA went on strike for better wages in 2016 and ended with a better deal for VA’s in video games

Isn't just about EVERYONE that was a part of the VA union either dropped or replaced by the companies? I already know that's what Capcom and NISA have already done.

and WGA went on strike in 2007 and got a better deal for TV/Movie writers.

And, the networks responded by flooding the stations with realty TV (And, PG-13 Dexter).

Unions cause disruptions against corporations to benefit their workers.

The Haymarket affair sure caused quite a disruption, along with other similar incidents that followed.

So that's a no then.

No, I do have a job. I just didn't see a point in mentioning it since you're so hire strung that "You need a 'professional job' before you can judge", meanwhile just over a quarter of college graduates are finding work in their field. And, yes, I went to college too, and my current occupation barely has any relation to anything I learned. And, just about every single last dime I get from my paycheck is used to pay bills, pay off my student loan, or is going towards building an asset so I don't have to continue to live like this.

literally everyone has to do some shit they're not entirely happy about as part of their job.
That's why its called a job, and its why you get paid to do it.
Pick anyone you want as an example. They've all had to eat some shit as part of their career.
Every single one.

That doesn't mean I have to accept it. That's why I'm also applying for other jobs because I can barely scrape by doing anything given the minimal conditions I have to deal with. All this is temporary. However, in the mean time, I should treat ever hour I am at work with pride and not do anything to disrespect it, despite how much I might despise it.

Because nobody wants to go tell their family they're getting evicted because they can't meet the rent and its all daddys fault for being a stubborn prideful asshole who just wants to live his best life instead of working for 'the man' or whatever illusions you have about how the world works.

So, you're saying that "daddy" should watch his wife getting dressed and putting on make-up every morning to go see another man, kiss his kids good bye before sending them off to a prison the crushes every bit of their spirit, and go drinking with his "buddies" every weekend complaining about how terrible his life IS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE? I know of men who had their entire family survive on a can of beans for a month and said "Never again", other men who lived out of their car for several years (With their spouse) because they wanted a better life for their kids, and wife's who've built a business for their family so that daddy doesn't have to kill himself. Don't you DARE talk about sacrificing one's life for independence like it's a fruitless venture?

omg why all these archive links

Makes posts less of a mess when typing due to the drastically reduced length. Also, prevents any alterations to the page and preserves the link in case the site goes down.

 

[Ascheroth]

Makes posts less of a mess when typing due to the drastically reduced length. Also, prevents any alterations to the page and preserves the link in case the site goes down.

Unless you're in the EU, then you can't view them at all.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

No, I do have a job. I just didn't see a point in mentioning it since you're so hire strung that "You need a 'professional job' before you can judge", meanwhile just over a quarter of college graduates are finding work in their field. And, yes, I went to college too, and my current occupation barely has any relation to anything I learned. And, just about every single last dime I get from my paycheck is used to pay bills, pay off my student loan, or is going towards building an asset so I don't have to continue to live like this.


That doesn't mean I have to accept it. That's why I'm also applying for other jobs because I can barely scrape by doing anything given the minimal conditions I have to deal with. All this is temporary.

Oh, so you do actually have some idea that "sucks for them, but they could have just quit and gone somewhere else" is an empty platitude?

 

[gabbo]

Then why has the Argentinian said that my overall assessment is correct:
Not if the SAG-AFTRA had anything to say about it. They were throwing a fit over the studios using non-union actors.
All of which was established over 50 years? Unions haven't contributed any positive benefits after those initial years, and their drastic fall in membership reflects this.
Except for the fact that Union leaders, as early as 1908, have declared that their purpose is to cause disruption and chaos.

Unions, in and of themselves are not the end goal, they are the means by which workers can get to a greater end.
If an employer is disrupted, the union is working

 

[Transdude1996]

Oh, so you do actually have some idea that "sucks for them, but they could have just quit and gone somewhere else" is an empty platitude?

I don't see how it's emtpy considering that every new job I've been hired at to has been better than the previously (Along with building up a plan B because I don't want to work for the rest of my life, period, unless it's completely on my own terms).

 

[Arsene]

Isn't just about EVERYONE that was a part of the VA union either dropped or replaced by the companies? I already know that's what Capcom and NISA have already done.

Yeah because they had to.

NISA and Capcom in particular weren’t really hit by this though. Capcon went non-union for Resident Evil 2 and 7 but other titles like Devil May Cry 5 and Monster Hunter were unaffected. I don’t think it was even confirmed that RE’s recasting was due to the strike. Capcom is super strange with english dubs and recast voice roles all the time at random.

IIRC NISA is non-union, Several unionized voice actors did work on their games but their work was considered non-union, which is why only the Japanese voice cast is credited in games like Danganronpa.

And, the networks responded by flooding the stations with realty TV (And, PG-13 Dexter).

Doesn’t change anything. It still benefited the WGA writers.

 

[Transdude1996]

wish i could check any of them ... archive just blocks the entire EU from accessing their service, lol

Unless you're in the EU, then you can't view them at all.

I'm not sure if that problem is caused by Cloudfire: Archive.is - Error 1001
Or the EU: EU Tells Internet Archive That Much Of Its Site Is 'Terrorist Content'

 

[lashman]

I'm not sure if that problem is caused by Cloudfire: Archive.is - Error 1001
Or the EU: EU Tells Internet Archive That Much Of Its Site Is 'Terrorist Content'

i thought it was because of GDPR - where a lot of US websites stopped working for EU people because they didn't want to comply with it ... i don't have a source for it, and i might be completely wrong about that

 

[Hektor]

I'm german and i can view archive links just fine

 

[lashman]

I'm german and i can view archive links just fine

oh ... hmmm ... weird

 

[Ascheroth]

I'm german and i can view archive links just fine

I'm austrian and I can't

(But yeah, none of this has anything to do with the eggs)

 

[Transdude1996]

i thought it was because of GDPR - where a lot of US websites stopped working for EU people because they didn't want to comply with it ... i don't have a source for it, and i might be completely wrong about that

I think you're mixing that up with Articles 11 and 13, the hyperlink tax and the copyright filter.

 

[BernardoOne]

I can go to archive.org just fine and search for files and whatever there but on those links people post it just says the connection has been refused.

 

[lashman]

I think you're mixing that up with Articles 11 and 13, the hyperlink tax and the copyright filter.

nope, i'm not .... archive.fo (specifically that one ... .org works just fine) hasn't been working for me since that entire GDPR deadline

I can go to archive.org just fine and search for files and whatever there but on those links people post it just says the connection has been refused.

same

 

[Ex-User (307)]

They have bills and families, or they might be the only place in town hiring for their skillset or offering the same payrate. Not everyone has the privilege to up and ditch their jobs on a whim, and they especially cant ditch and just start up their own company just like that.

Scorching hot take, but “bills and families” works as an excuse for keeping employment only to a certain threshold of your employer’s immorality. After some point, as far as I’m concerned, you’re complicit, to hell with both you and your family.

That isn’t to say that Gearbox has reached that stage though. They’re a dumb and bad corporate entity, but they’re not exceptionally bad. I can think of some companies that have well passed that threshold, but Gearbox isn’t one of them yet.

Unions cause disruptions against corporations to benefit their workers. Saying they cause “Nothing but problems” is still a lie because these problems lead to better conditions for workers under said unions.

Another scorching hot take, but I think it’s pretty fair that to say in a capitalist economic framework, unions will often end up creating new problems for labor even when they do solve other problems. In some cases, they can even cause more problems than they solve because of the inherent framework and incentives that are created by a capitalist society.

 

[LEANIJA]

Seriously though, this discussion has NOTHING to do with the EGS, can we move it to a separate space please?